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Post by gaucho on Dec 11, 2014 21:29:27 GMT
Does anyone know if a NRP coverplate will generally line up with the screw holes on a vintage National? Also are there any distinguishing markings on a NRP that ID it from an Asian made copy? I know the vintage ones can generally be IDed by the patent #s below the hand rest...
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Post by zak71 on Dec 12, 2014 1:15:48 GMT
I don't know about NRP coverplates, but there is variance about how high the dome is on the old National coverplates.
Not sure if it is enough of a difference to affect string clearance, but they vary slightly in height depending on the era.
Also, not all vintage coverplates have the patent number stamped on them, the earlier ones have no number on them.
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 12, 2014 9:40:08 GMT
Hi Gaucho,
I don't know for sure, but I don't think they will line up exactly.
As Zak said, the height of the dome will vary from old ones to new ones.
There are differences between NRP and Far Eastern-built coverplates; I haven't done a count for a while, but the amount of holes in each diamond varies with different manufacturers. Also, the shape of the handrest and the height of the dome varies.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by gaucho on Dec 12, 2014 11:41:17 GMT
This is the covrplate on Ebay. He says he thinks it's a modern National… I'm thinking about it for my early 30's Style 0, which is original except for the neck and cover plate. It now has a chicken foot (original early National) but I allays toy with the idea of making it look more "period correct". Perhaps this one is from a Style 0 Replicon? It's too expensive to buy if it's not NRP! www.ebay.com/itm/281526533957 |
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 12, 2014 12:06:57 GMT
This is an NRP coverplate.  This is the one you have seen on eBay....  If I were you, I would ask NRP if their coverplates fit original Style 0s. Shine On Michael |
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Post by slide496 on Dec 12, 2014 12:27:37 GMT
I hope you don't mind, to my eye, enlarged I'd be iffish about that scratching pattern that I see on the bottom portion, I don't know whether thats going to look like artificial in real life - but I am sure you have seen more of the vintage than I have.
Hard to tell if it warped at all during the aging - there's no shadow.
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Post by gaucho on Dec 12, 2014 13:08:22 GMT
Do all NRPs have removable handrests like the one MM posted. I plan to call Jason at NRP later
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Post by Michael Messer on Dec 12, 2014 14:56:39 GMT
Hi Gaucho,
Not all NRP coverplates have removable handrests. This was brought in a few years ago, maybe five years or so. Prior to that they were soldered on.
Speak to Jason, he will know.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by zak71 on Dec 12, 2014 16:14:32 GMT
I'd be iffish about that scratching pattern that I see on the bottom portion, I don't know whether thats going to look like artificial in real life Yes, it has that "brushed" look that NRP's "aged" finishes have. The worn-through-to-the-brass portions look suspect to me, too. At first I thought it might be from one of those "Replicon" Style Os, but the "relicing" on them isn't quite as heavy-handed as that. Here's what I mean: guitarvillage.uk.com/admin/pages/upload/National/Style-0_Replicon.jpgHard to tell from the ebay photos, but the original ribbed National coverplates as well as the ones made by NRP (as you can see in the Replicon photo above) have a pretty pronounced crease around the outer edge where the holes for the screws are located...the coverplate on ebay doesn't seem to have a very sharp crease there. However, that can just be how it appears in the photo. If I was interested in buying it, I would ask the seller for more detailed photos, as well as a shot of the underside. |
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Post by slide496 on Dec 12, 2014 18:06:23 GMT
Thanks for the correction then - I guess its not my taste?
Its "aging" goes into the edge irregularly so it breaks up the clean line crease and it looks like he put a white background on top of it,not underneath. as there should be a shadow on the surface its laying on - I'd want to see the whole edge.
It may be a photoshop trick with the new one and they added an artificial drop shadow, but at least you know its new
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Post by rbe on Dec 12, 2014 20:41:53 GMT
That is an NRP coverplate. The screw holes might not be an exact match, but they are usually very close. They can be enlarged to line up without it looking bad and that is a fairly standard practice. That said, I have had vintage coverplates not match vintage bodies. So there are no guarantees, but the odds of it fitting are in your favor.
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Post by pascal on Dec 12, 2014 21:12:11 GMT
[quote author=" gaucho" source="/post/59196/thread"It now has a chicken foot (original early National) but I allays toy with the idea of making it look more "period correct". [/quote] I just think it's a big shame to change a unique thing (coverplate) from that period, just for a question of today's taste. IMO These NRP coverplates are such far from the National ones. I heard that they do not fit easily cause of the fitting holes. |
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Post by gaucho on Dec 12, 2014 21:57:32 GMT
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I just think it's a big shame to change a unique thing (coverplate) from that period, just for a question of today's taste. IMO These NRP coverplates are such far from the National ones. I heard that they do not fit easily cause of the fitting holes.[/quote]
I think your reply about changing it for a "question of today's taste" is actually why my '32 Style 0 has the cover plate from a '35 Style 0. I believe (according to the fading memory of the woman who's husband owned it originally) the chicken foot plate was put on many years ago to replace a damaged original sieve hole plate that was damaged. I always imagined that the owner replaced it with the plate that the newest National 0's had on them at the time.
Jason at NRP (super nice and helpful guy!) has confirmed it to be a NRP Replicon plate. I bought it but who knows if I'll actually use it. We shall see! By the way, the Style O in question is the one in the center of my avatar photo. It has a replacement neck (done in the 40's) that the original owner had made for Hawaiian style playing. It's still a round neck, but very beefy. It is a beautifully made and plays (and sounds) great when played in the Spanish position. This guitar is a bit of a Franken-Nat, but it was cool to be able to talk with the wife of the original owner and gain a little insight as to why some of the changes were made. It was a very good deal too!
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