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Post by alias on Aug 16, 2014 23:37:22 GMT
Wondering what and how many vintage Nationals left the factory with steel rather than brass tuning capstans?
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Post by snakehips on Aug 17, 2014 21:58:52 GMT
Hi there !
Sorry, but I'm not really understanding your question.
Are you talking about some part of the guitar tuners ?
Please attach a photo, with the part in question arrowed, so we know what you are referring to.
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Post by zak71 on Aug 17, 2014 22:45:26 GMT
The capstan is the part that the string threads through and winds around.  |
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Post by alias on Aug 18, 2014 2:17:48 GMT
What Zak said.
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Post by snakehips on Aug 18, 2014 11:23:31 GMT
Hi again !
I thought that might be what you were talking about but didn't really think it could be something interesting enough as it's own topic.
I mean, has anyone noticed poor permormance from either steel or brass ones, even on 80yrs plus tuners ? ? ?
Perhaps more important, on wear resistance / long-term performance if talking about the cog gears (or whatever they are called).
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Post by slide496 on Aug 18, 2014 13:15:46 GMT
Hi again ! I thought that might be what you were talking about but didn't really think it could be something interesting enough as it's own topic. I mean, has anyone noticed poor permormance from either steel or brass ones, even on 80yrs plus tuners ? ? ? Perhaps more important, on wear resistance / long-term performance if talking about the cog gears (or whatever they are called). Just MHO, no offense - Not sure I agree with that. I found the query interesting as I did not know what a capstan was. And also on my vintage parlors I take some note of the materials on the saddle whether it is brass, wood or bone and if a string is winding around a capstan then I would try to duplicate that material. |
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Post by zak71 on Aug 18, 2014 14:08:21 GMT
The cogs are a separate piece, they come off when you remove the screw. I would guess that it would depend on what Waverly had in (or out) of stock, judging by most 20s and 30s manufacturers substituting "whatever is on hand" to fill orders, it is likely that both brass and steel could have been found even in a single batch of tuners ordered by national. I just checked with a magnet, the tuner capstans on my '29 Triolian are steel, and brass in my '31. Steel in my '29 Triolian mandolin, too. What do you guys think, maybe we should all announce how disinterested we are in all the threads that don't interest us? It'll be a cheery good time. I'll start with all the Knopfler/Rory threads.  |
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Post by snakehips on Aug 18, 2014 15:06:44 GMT
There are plenty threads that I don't have any interest in but don't feel the need to comment on.
Rather than want to slag something off, my post had a valid point - and was stated.
Brass v Steel v German Silver bodies have a different sound.
Maple neck v mahogany neck may change the sound
Maple/ Ebony fretboard getting difficult BUT ebony perhaps more luxury.
Ebonised v Ebony fretboard should look similar except ebonised doesn't wear well cosmetically in many cases.
Paint finish types, paint v nickel-plate all cool but different.
Ebony nut v bone sound different ? Ebony chips easier ?
But steel v brass capstan ?
I'm not convinced of any aesthetic or sonic advantage in either - but I'm interested if one type fails/wears much sooner than the other.
Not seen any evidence of that so far in owning about 15 Nationals at least, over at least as many years and seeing other nice Nationals belonging to friends.
Wasn't just being difficult without any reason or explanation. I think I have made myself clear on that.
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Post by snakehips on Aug 18, 2014 15:28:28 GMT
PS. Apologies to Alias for any offence caused.
Perhaps I could have worded my initial post better.
Hopefully alias understood my post OK
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Post by snakehips on Aug 18, 2014 15:29:30 GMT
PS. Apologies to Alias for any offence caused.
Perhaps I could have worded my initial post better.
Hopefully alias understood my post OK
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Post by alias on Aug 18, 2014 15:31:02 GMT
The minutia of my mission can not be overstated.
Thanks to those who answered much more question than was asked, but it's a simple inquiry regarding production totals and model selections.
Aesthetic or sonic advantage of capstan materials hadn't crossed my mind ( until now ) and I've never noticed wear on either brass or steel to be much of an issue.
Simply curios if there was rhyme or reason as steel tends to show up relatively infrequently.
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Post by alias on Aug 18, 2014 15:34:53 GMT
No offense taken Mr. Snakehips.
Questions breed questions.
Wouldn't want it any other way.
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Post by wolvoboy on Aug 18, 2014 15:35:58 GMT
Just as a matter of interest,in case i ever need to change my tuners on my Duolian,the capstan is above the tuning peg rather than below it,will the standard type tuners fit.or are they different tuners
wolvoboy
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