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Post by fitchmeister on Jul 12, 2007 19:39:47 GMT
Hi - apologies as i know i have posted this info before, but for anyone considering a budget Tricone , and Robn's "It would be interesting to hear what the owners of some of the metal bodied budget resonators have to say about their guitars ": I bought a 'Vintage' AMG2 Tricone and a set of NRP cones at the same time, the Vintage was on special offer so I got the lot for £475. When tyring to fit the new cones I noticed the T Piece locating pins were off centre and the original cones had been trimmed to fit. I bit the bullet and had a new t piece & bridge fitted by the LRC. The action was quite low but I'm now used to it - and I have done no further mods. The nut is fine with MM 16 - 59s on. I have played a few real vintage nationals and I’m happy with the sound playability I got for £600 (ish), though I am aware I'm now in 2nd hand Amistar/Continental territory and more 'label' kudos. This is what it sounds like: www.myspace.com/wodjahRef1 – is the unmodified Tricone except MM Newtone 15s Cypress grove a la Bob – is after modification 16s and 6 months practice – Same slide and picks And yes i know the profile picture has a banjo on it - other instruments need love too!! Cheers Roj
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 19:42:06 GMT
I'll likley be the only one to say I like the Fender..but I own a spider bridge Fender FR50CE (I live in the U.S.) and since I had the spider cone replaced with a Beard cone and the saddle replaced with an ebony-topped maple, I have been very happy with it. The guitar as new was a very nice guitar...the cone just wasn't very good. I think you'd be happy with a Fender and upgraded cone. If you buy the FR-48, upgrade the biscuit cone with a National cone.
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Post by growler on Jul 13, 2007 8:06:35 GMT
Hi all Nice demo Robn.... I went on the web to look at what price Thomann are knocking your guitar out at ...... not expensive at all. Regarding other owners with budget resos, the problem I have got is I have Johnston JM988 that I bought new which came to me with the standard Continetal cone and other tweaks such as Bone nut etc........ as I say the problem I have is being the first reso I have bought I have never tried any other reso to compare it with. To me it sounds fine , with Mr Messers strings on it, also with a little help from people showing me how to adjust it when it is put through an amp , whereas before I really hated the sound it had ....... like playing a reso made of glass. Overall it was a good buy for the money. Secondly Robn on a different subject , you gave me advice sometime ago on pre amps ( Bheringer ), I have a problem with plugging in a twelve string guitar fitted with a basic saddle pickup. When I plug it in to get any sound out of the amp I have have to really turn the volume control nearly all the way up. which frightens the life out of me ....... would the preamp solve this problem for me ....... Is that what it does..... up the volume before it reaches the amp . I notice Bheringer have bought out a couple of newer models I think they are called Valve or Tube something ........ could you have a look at their range and get back to me with your splendid advice please;
regards Growler
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Post by robn on Jul 13, 2007 12:13:34 GMT
Hi Growler, Thanks for the kind words I have two of these: www.behringer.com/MIC200/index.cfm?lang=engTo be honest, I've plugged just about everything I have through them with no problems (Fender Strat, acoustic guitars, SM57/58, green bullet). It gives a line level output, so you can plug straight into any amp or line inputs on mixers (not balanced inputs). Cheap and flexible - you should get one for £35 or so - and it will boost your under saddle p/u to a more usable level. Cheers, Robn
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Post by growler on Jul 13, 2007 13:00:21 GMT
Cheers Robn I'll get this one ...... I think it is the one you mentioned last time, Thomann are doing it for £37
regards Growler
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Post by robn on Jul 13, 2007 15:22:16 GMT
Hi Growler,
They are a good bit of kit for the cash.
The instructions are not great so here's what I've discovered.
The left hand knob (gain) sets the input level - so you can take the signal from a clean sound through to mild valve warmth. You'll need to experiment with how much input signal you want. My SM57 needs about a third of the knobs rotation, whereas my acoustic guitar with a mag p/u only needs about a sixth for "clean" sounds - as you increase the gain value you move gradually into a discernable "valve" sound (which for some applications you may want).
The right hand knob (output) adjusts the output level and is linked to the signal level LEDs. Play a few cords and turn this knob up until the LEDs show a clear output signal but stay in the green.
The "preamp mode" knob gives lots of options. "Acoustic guitar" (A-GRT) will give a very clean sound and a quite dry signal boost. However, I'm a fan of setting this knob to "valve" and warming everthing up a touch.
If you are a harp player, and need to plug into a pa or similar "clean amp" then a green bullet through this pre-amp set to "valve" will blow your socks off! (Well, at least be impressive for under £40!)
Robn
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Post by dansimmonds on Jul 17, 2007 12:24:05 GMT
Hi all,
Thanks for all your advice - much appreciated.
Thought I would let you know what I did.....
I went down to the wonderful Denmark Street and ended up talking to none other than Mr Messer's playing partner! I had a good chat with him and he seemed to think that the budget Ozark reso would be my best bet. So I bought one! I have to say that it sounds pretty damned good for the price (especially in the hands of the man himself) and I am really pleased. Now all that remains is to develop the slide playing style a bit....
He did tell me the name of your duo, but i have forgotten - would love to come and see how it's done properly - any gigs coming up?
Anyway, thanks again guys.
All the best,
Dan.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 17, 2007 16:31:57 GMT
Hi Dan,
Great stuff. Ron is a very helpful guy.
When I play with Ron we are called 'National Debt' - check out the CONCERTS and the NATIONAL DEBT pages on my website. In National Debt I just play slide, steel and rhythm guitar to back Ron.
Keep in touch & if you come to a gig, please come and say hello.
Shine On, Michael
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Post by Gerry C on Jul 17, 2007 17:14:58 GMT
Hi Dan - looks like I'm too late to give you my 2p worth but - I have an Ozark too! Some years ago I bought an Ozark 3515 single cone model. After a while I customised it considerably: new Quarterman cone, new 'chickenfoot' cone-cover and matching tailpiece (chrome finish rather than the rather naff pseudo-gold of the original), new ebony saddle and bone nut and a Fishman passive pickup. It's now a very satisfactory reso until I can afford a Fine or National. Its only drawback is its weight: Michael's review of it in Acoustic magazine said it was the heaviest reso on the market Still I have nice big biceps now... You can see it and hear it in action at www.myspace.com/gerrycooperCheerily, Gerry C
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