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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2008 13:57:27 GMT
Hi
I was wondering whether anybody has bought or tried the Hipshot Trilogy tail piece for Dobro type guitars ? Are they any good? As it looks like an interesting bit of kit that could be useful for open tunings, if it works well & is reliable.
Regards Barn
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Post by John on Jun 19, 2008 14:25:28 GMT
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Post by snakehips on Jun 19, 2008 22:11:31 GMT
Hi there !
I bought one of those things but haven't yet fitted it to anything. You have to drill a hole for the end-pin (as different position for different guitars). It only comes in black.
I plan to put it on my National Resophonic Resolectric Jnr II as it's "hotplate" is painted black - so it shouldn't be so noticeable. That guitar is pretty good by the way - new model.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2008 15:23:54 GMT
Hi
I think i'm gonna buy one & fit it to my fender, to see whether they are any good. Before fitting one to my NRP. The hipshots for other types of guitars seem to get very good reviews. But I was thinking that pulling the strings quickly across the saddle could move the cone. So please let us know how you get on with yours Snakehips .
Regards Barn
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Post by Lewis Cohen on Jun 20, 2008 16:46:54 GMT
I have one on my strat and love it. I use it to switch between G tuning, D tuning, Dm tuning and tone-down standard with .015's and it handles it well.
You do have to accept a little compromise on tuning because neck flex plays a part, but you'd need ears like a bat to find it troublesome. With a trilogy and a capo you can really cover all bases on the fly, which is great if, like me, you're in a band for which set lists are an alien concept.
For some reason I've never fancied trying one on a reso though....I suppose because it remove a whole layer of justification for owning more........!
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Post by Lewis Cohen on Jun 20, 2008 16:52:52 GMT
Oh and on the question of he cone moving - it's not really a quick movement on a trilogy - in fact you can control how fast or slow you move the lever and arguably one smooth fluid movement to the correct pitch could be less likely to move the cone around that the up-a-bit, down-a-bit, process of retuning a string normally.
I'd have thought it would have to be a pretty radical movement of one string to shift anything while all the other strings were excerting their pressure. Could be wrong though.
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Post by snakehips on Jun 20, 2008 18:28:43 GMT
Hi there !
Might try and fit mine tonight as I've got time off for good behaviour !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2008 21:43:17 GMT
Hi Well I've got round to ordering one today. I should have it friday, so will be fitting it Saturday. I did note that some people had fitted roller Nuts with them. But I'll be fitting it without a roller nut first.
Thanks for the info Lewis.
How did the fitting go Snakehips ?
Regards Barn
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Post by snakehips on Jun 26, 2008 13:56:31 GMT
Hi again !
Still not got round to it !
Really busy at the moment with our first born baby boy, born 11 days ago. Baby well but my wife had a VERY rough time. She is needing as much TLC as the baby, if not more.
Still been given the green light for gigging this weekend at the Dundee Blues Bonanza. Will try and fit the Hipshot for the weekend and let you'all know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2008 11:12:21 GMT
Congratulations! on the new born.
My Hipshot arrived today & it has a Chrome tail piece with black components ( it's not all black). It looks fantastic, so rather than me butchering it with an electric drill. I,m going to give it & the fender tail piece to a tool maker on monday to drill the fixing hole in the right place.
It came with it's own nut & saddle which look plastic, but i won't be fitting those unless i need to as ive alredy fitted a bone nut & ebony capped saddle to the guitar & have spares if those wear.
I'll just have to wait till next week to fit it though.
Regards Barn
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2008 11:44:27 GMT
This is what a chrome one looks like
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 19:23:53 GMT
Hi Well i fitted it a couple of weeks ago.
When you flick the levers & lower the tension on one or more strings it affects the tension of all the other strings on a dobra type guitar. I should have thought about it abit more , as when you restring a resonator if you tune half the strings & then tune the others, the first half will be out of tune as the saddle moves under tension. Which is not a problem that guitars like telecasters can suffer from as the equivelant parts can't move . So when you tune to say open G & flick the appropriate levers to get open D . All the D strings that you haven't altered go out of tune, the thicker the string the further out. It's accurate if your changing the tension on all strings & small changes like from Open D to Dsus work. But you can't sit & play flicking through different tunings. It definately quickens retuning, but you do have to use the tuning heads. I won't be getting another one. Cheers Barn
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 31, 2008 20:18:03 GMT
I know Hipshot makes the TMB5 for Dobros. I have never used one as I don't really like the idea of fitting it to any guitar. I would have thought that if it is fitted correctly to the instrument it is designed for, it would not pull the bridge and other strings any more than normal retuning does.
Is the break angle from bridge to Hipshot correct - and have you fitted a bridge with rollers, or just the regular Dobro maple bridge. What guitar have you fitted it to?
HERE'S WHAT HIPSHOT SAY ON THEIR WEBSITE > Let your creativity fly with our trilogy multiple tuning bridge designed for dobro. Attaches at the strap button. Easy installation. Here's how it works...... The Trilogy provides you with instant, smooth, and presise retuning of each string to three player-preset notes by means of specifically designed cam levers. Each string is independent of adjacent strings. (Tuning ranges of the 6th and 5th strings are approximately an octave; the 4th and 3rd strings are over a fifth; the 2nd string is approximately a fourth; and the 1st string is over a minor third.)
Shine On MIchael
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 21:04:31 GMT
Hi Michael
It's fitted to a modified fender FR50CE which is a spider style guitar, it has been converted to sound post & has a quarterman cone & did have a ebony capped saddle & bone nut. But i changed the saddle to the hipshot supplied one & have fitted a Fender LSR roller nut. So the strings are sliding freely over the nut & saddle.
In my experience. When you set up one string on it you can consistantly change say from D to E very accurately repeatedly & if your flicking all the levers you can have three different tunings that stay in tune. But if your only moving three of the levers the change in tension in the strings that your retuning affects the pressure on the cone which in turn alters the tension in the other strings changng there pitch slightly & it's a big enough change that you have to retune those strings. It does say in the manual that you do have to fine tune on some changes.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the guitar setup it plays very well & stays in tune & i do have an NRP to compare it to.
Any suggestion to where i might have gone wrong would be appreciated. As i would like to be able to say it's the greatest invetion since sliced bread, but i don't think it is.
Regards Barn
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 1, 2008 7:17:21 GMT
Hi Barn,
I am sure you have fitted the Hipshot correctly. Unfortunately you have fitted it to a Dobro style guitar that as far as I can remember, is not built correctly. I am sure that with a Quaterman cone & some posts it sounds better than it originally did, but that guitar is not constructed like a Dobro and is not stable. Hipshot probably designed their product to fit on a classic Dobro guitar with a neck-stick, pit-props and sound-well.
What have you fitted as a bridge saddle?
I am not criticizing you for trying the Hipshot, in fact I admire you for having a go. My problem with the Hipshot fitted to a Dobro is that I have never seen one being used. Considering I spend my life around slide guitarists, Dobros & Nationals, that tells me something. If it is such a great product, why do all the Dobro & slide guitar players take two guitars or retune with a digital tuner.
I just use a little Intelli-Tuner clipped on the headstock and can retune very quickly if I need to.
Could we see a couple of photos of your guitar fitted with the Hipshot?
Thanks, keep in touch Barn,
Shine On Michael.
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