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Post by hh1978 on Sept 29, 2020 19:45:05 GMT
Hello,
Any idea as to what could have happened to this sorry condition Style O ? And how bad it is?
Not my guitar BTW, pictures were sent to me by someone knowing I was interested in old National's. It's for sale, actually, but I doubt it will find a buyer anytime soon, unless price is low.
I would guess weather corrosion combined with heavy tension, followed by a crude attempt to restore it, but not sure at all. One piece front and sides separating on a good part of the body... I doubt this is common.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 8:24:53 GMT
Not common but I've seen it a few times. Brass bodies usually, I had the same on my old collegian. The stress from the press causes the weakness. I'd have it at the right price - who's selling and where?
TT
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Post by hh1978 on Sept 30, 2020 9:59:33 GMT
Thanks for the reply! How did you fix it on your collegian?
It's in the US, likely an individual seller.
What do you think would be a right price for this one?
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Post by pete1951 on Sept 30, 2020 10:09:31 GMT
Hello, Any idea as to what could have happened to this sorry condition Style O ? And how bad it is? [ I would guess weather corrosion combined with heavy tension, followed by a crude attempt to restore it, but not sure at all. One piece front and sides separating on a good part of the body... I doubt this is common.
Should that be one piece back and sides? I guess the front needs to come off and shaped strips soldered over the cracks from the inside, a job for Mike Lewis ? Pete As to price, there will be repair marks, so it should cost the current price of a similar guitar,( with some repairs showing) minus the repair charge. You will need an estimate from Mike, or someone who builds metal body guitars |
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Post by hh1978 on Sept 30, 2020 10:31:34 GMT
I'm not sure, I have no experience with 14 frets bodies. I thought it was one piece top and sides just as 12 frets ones.
I was indeed thinking of sending the pics to Mike, it will be also a good occasion to have a phone chat afterwards, Mike is such a nice guy 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 11:03:12 GMT
Thanks for the reply! How did you fix it on your collegian? It's in the US, likely an individual seller. What do you think would be a right price for this one? I had John Alderson in UK fix it. No idea about a good price - I'm a cheapskate myself, so I'd pay £500 if in UK  TT |
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Post by hh1978 on Sept 30, 2020 18:16:26 GMT
Just had a reply from Mike who said it's falling into pieces and that's not a job for him, because it would be too costly and the result wouldn't be worth. In the meantime, I got to know the asking price. Nearly 4000$ and firm price . I got my almost pristine 3pces body Triolian for less than that (With a great help from Michael and Mark). |
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Post by leeophonic on Sept 30, 2020 21:31:00 GMT
$4000 is for a good one, this is a bucket of parts that I would have NRP attach a distressed (new) style O body to the existing bits that still have use $1000 tops for me, they might as well ask for $40,000 it will sit on the shelf for the same time.
Lee
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Post by hh1978 on Oct 1, 2020 6:44:30 GMT
Yep, also what I think. Seller admits the price is very high but he won't lower it, so looks like he doesn't really want to sell.
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Post by snakehips on Oct 1, 2020 7:16:09 GMT
Hi there!
Definitely a job for a laser welder.
The repair will be rock-solid and will cause the least amount of cosmetic damage.
This guitar is never gonna look pretty BUT laser welding the cracks will make it solid again and this as strong as they should be.
I’ve had two broken tailpieces repaired by a laser welder - and 4yrs later, with constant string tension, there is no sign of the repair coming apart.
Question though is WHERE to get a laser welder(er) to do the work.
I got a dental lab to do my repairs as a favour
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Post by pete1951 on Oct 1, 2020 8:58:44 GMT
When I worked a Cambridge college I could get all sorts of things done, ( casting tri-cone bridges, plasma cutting) I would try to contact an engineering department of a local University, in these days of student free departments there may be a technician with time on there hands, and some unused laser welders.
Pete
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Post by hh1978 on Oct 1, 2020 14:46:02 GMT
Would it need to take the top off for repairing the cracks from the inside? Or could it be done from the outside?
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Post by gaucho on Oct 1, 2020 15:15:49 GMT
That price is way too high, tho I think it is the rare "Mark Knoffler" style 0 with the palm trees on the side. If it were mine (and it would never be at that ridiculous price!) I would Just have the cracks braced somehow on the inside. Soldering it up isn't going to make it any prettier than just "cleating" the cracks on the inside and calling it a day, IMO....
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Post by hh1978 on Oct 1, 2020 17:23:39 GMT
I agree on the price being ridiculous. And as he seller doesn't seem to be inclined to lower it, it will probably sit for a looong time.
It's not the Mark Knopfler model, it's a later "Spade Head". Serial dates it from 1940, according to Mark's book.
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Post by gaucho on Oct 1, 2020 21:11:12 GMT
Oh... with the ugly headstock and Gibson-like fretboard markers... I'd personally pass on one of those at just about any price!
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