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Post by bonzo on May 21, 2020 7:49:34 GMT
Michael, I think you've found a rare picture of Peetie Wheatstraw. One of the few taken outside of jail! I think he was out on bale at the time of this shot. 😎👍
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by jono1uk on May 21, 2020 7:54:32 GMT
Yes i agree with TT ..this is important and the person who produced it was there when Robert took it and is related to him .. not just the usual "Golddigger"
Jon
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Post by snakehips on May 21, 2020 8:19:48 GMT
Hi again,
The Lady who owns the photo was with Robert when the photo was taken. She has a book coming out - and this new photo is on the front cover. It seems like several pictures were taken at the photo booth - and she got this one - and always kept it. She was much younger than RJ (under 10yrs old). She was technically no relation to RJ but a half sister to RJ's half sister, all living in the same "family group" in Memphis (where the photos were taken). I think perhaps because he died when she was young she decided to always keep the photo of her "brother". I have no doubt it is him. He looks a nice, happy guy, with a slight mischievious smile (with his right eyebrow raised). With his head tilted, and the guitar and a v different angle, he and the guitar do look fairly different but I think it's within the normal range of outcomes you get with shifting around in front of a camera.
Apparently, she lived a respectable live when she was older, responsible job etc, and lived in Boston. When Muddy Waters was playing a big gig there, she went back-stage to meet Muddy and showed him and his band members her photo album - to show Muddy pics of RJ she had. Band members remember (to this day) seeing these photos (and this event has been rumoured/talked about for years). There doesn't seem to be any hint that Muddy didn't think these photos were of RJ. Muddy apparently only saw RJ once or twice as a young man though - and was too in awe of RJ's skills to go and speak to him - but he was obviously inspired by his music/songs.
I was never totally convinced that the first dime stored photo (with cigarette) was the same guy as the studio portrait RJ with a Gibson L1 guitar. Now I see his smile and teeth in this new photo, I am also convinced that they are all of the same person.
And, we've still to see the photo of RJ with his cousin, from the same studio photo shoot as the Gibson L1 photo. Apparently, that photo, that came from Mack McCormack's Estate, has been seen by a few people in the last year or two.
Nice to see a genuine photo for once !
And yes, of course, the music is the most important thing !
Would be nice to see a pic of RJ and his pal Willie Brown though ?
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Post by Michael Messer on May 21, 2020 8:24:22 GMT
TT, I don't dispute that, but I have never been convinced that the other photos are of our man.
I think that after two months lockdown and 45 years of studying RJ's music, I may have lost the plot because I am not sure that I care. Oops...should I have said that?
Shine On Michael.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 8:28:31 GMT
The Lady who owns the photo was with Robert when the photo was taken. (So she says) She has a book coming out - and this new photo is on the front cover.
Does this not tell you something? AS MM says just listen to the music and forget the b******t.
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Post by jono1uk on May 21, 2020 8:30:53 GMT
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Post by jono1uk on May 21, 2020 8:34:44 GMT
sorry ..but some of us interested and is a worthy topic IMHO .. i suggest people "scroll on" if of no interest .. ( sorry for rant)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 8:47:23 GMT
Just read a post about some guy who was hanging out backstage with Muddy Waters when the lady came in and introduced herself to muddy. She then produced this very pic, and Muddy jumped up shouting "that's him, that's him!". Obvs this is just a story, but it was told convincingly. Yeah, lockdown is sending me batty... TT
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Post by davey on May 21, 2020 8:49:45 GMT
Not much doubt about it:
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Post by bonzo on May 21, 2020 8:52:41 GMT
Sending you batty TT? You'll be ready when the cricket starts up again! I'm going to stop now, I realise this is a serious topic for some
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by tallsailor on May 21, 2020 9:08:35 GMT
If you look at the pic you'll see it says 'Cover not Final'.
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Post by jono1uk on May 21, 2020 9:10:36 GMT
Thanks ..never spotted that ..
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Post by ken1953clark on May 21, 2020 9:19:14 GMT
And where did the foreword by Elijah Wald go?
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Post by davey on May 21, 2020 9:23:59 GMT
The same background with the same creases, same lighting, same shadows and highlights, clothes, haircut, shape of face & teeth (thanks to Snakehips !)
Here's a funny thing : 1930's Photobooths produced eight different poses. Six to go, folks !
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Post by Michael Messer on May 21, 2020 9:29:33 GMT
I am still cynical. Photoshop can be a useful tool to make us believe want the artist wants us to believe. Shine On Michael
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