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Post by lonelyjelly on Nov 27, 2019 12:42:31 GMT
Lew, this old git is confused - as usual. Did he make you tubular slides (a la bottleneck) or solid bar slides? Tubular, dude.
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Post by rpsayles on Nov 27, 2019 12:59:30 GMT
Lew you devil you ! Nice heads up. Just ordered a tone bar as a pre Christmas gift to myself š
Cheers Rob
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Post by slide496 on Nov 27, 2019 13:56:28 GMT
Thanks for the link Lew I'll check it out - I like to test new materials out of curiosity. I did try an Aluminum alone and came to the same conclusion as MM, but am wondering about the mix of aluminum and bronze. TheY do ship overseas, so this can go on the short wish list.
IMHO there's not much difference in the thought process in testing a new material as ordering custoom glass/bronze, but you may lose the approval and comraderie of the generally agreed upon as best practice glass/brass community. YMMV
Lawd lawdy, Harriet
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 16:50:09 GMT
I am a bit confused too because aluminium is a soft material with almost no resonance and bronze is, generally speaking, not a good material for slides as it is somehow not very musical, if that makes sense. I have a couple in my collection that were made for me many years ago, one is a Hawaiian bullet "steel" and the other a bottleneck type of slide and while they were perfectly engineered, they are just not great tools. Shine On Michael Stevie would probably give a far better answer. Alloys act very differently to the elements they comprise. They don't act like a mixture of the two. The different sized atoms reinforce the overall structure and strength. TT
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Post by lonelyjelly on Nov 27, 2019 16:52:28 GMT
I am a bit confused too because aluminium is a soft material with almost no resonance and bronze is, generally speaking, not a good material for slides as it is somehow not very musical, if that makes sense. I have a couple in my collection that were made for me many years ago, one is a Hawaiian bullet "steel" and the other a bottleneck type of slide and while they were perfectly engineered, they are just not great tools. Shine On Michael Hey Michael. Ally bronze is harder than your regular bronzes (phosphor bronze, brass) and shares nickel silverās corrosion resistance strengths. Itās not as hard as stainless steel. Neither is nickel / german silver. I am not quite sure what you mean about bronze not being very musical - there are lots of variants. Personally I really like phosphor bronze and brass for a slide material but obviously each to their own š Like you said the only way to find out if you like it is to try it out. I have an aluminium slide too and that is very soft and no use on acoustic instruments. Hope thatās useful. Lew
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Post by lonelyjelly on Nov 27, 2019 16:56:41 GMT
So much focus on the peripheralsā itās the archer not he arrows. Precisely--just get a glass or brass slide,whatever your preference, and learn to play a good vibrato. I apply this idea to guitars mainly because I canāt afford them. I think it is fun to try new materials for slide but I appreciate iām a slide geek these days. Iāll keep working on my vibrato!
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Post by lonelyjelly on Nov 27, 2019 17:02:12 GMT
Because the time spent mucking about with different slides is time that could be spent acquiring some technique which will lead to 'fun'. It's a seductive illusion that there is the perfect guitar/slide/amp/car/woman/man etc. out there that will give you the eureka moment but there isn't. EDIT: I'll soften that somewhat harsh dictum with IMHO. Totally agree with practicing and improving technique, I just switch daily...so it is German Silver Monday, brass Tuesday, Phosphor Bronze Wednesday, stainless steel Thursday, soda lime glass Friday, crystal lead glass Saturday and if Iām not at church then āplant potā Sunday. ššÆāāļø
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Post by Michael Messer on Nov 27, 2019 17:41:39 GMT
The "not very musical" comment is based on tone, feel on the strings and how tactile they are.
I have actually just dug out the bronze Hawaiian steel that I have and I will use it for a practice session and see if I still feel the same about it. The bronze slide I think I must have given away at some point, because I can't find it.
I do agree with the comments about spending the time playing, rather than discussing tools and trying out different ones.
On that subject - after almost thirty years of using my custom made hard-plated steel slide bored from a solid rod, due to ageing hands and wielding a 127 gram slide around (4.5 ounces), I have spent the last month using one of Ian's lead crystal blown glass slides and I am loving it.
Shine On Michael
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Post by lonelyjelly on Nov 27, 2019 21:07:05 GMT
Essentially I agree of course I do, but had I not read about them on this forum then I wouldnāt have known about Diamond Bottlenecks including the lovely Ultimate range, wouldnāt have one to go with each shirt, and Ian wouldāve had to work a second job in a local bar š
Practicing / playing is the best for sure, but also I think sharing information and / or knowledge about gear, whether it be to do with slides, strings, fingerpicks, nut, saddle and biscuit materials, etc, etc is interesting and useful too. The last thing we want is for us all to practice so much that we all get really good and only come on here to brag šš±
Stop poo-pooing my fun MM! š¤¦š»āāļø
Hope you take that with the utmost respect, a pinch of salt and the knowledge that I have a problem š
Best all
Lew
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:46:47 GMT
Slidaholism is definitely preferable to alcoholism Lew.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Nov 29, 2019 11:32:00 GMT
So much focus on the peripheralsā itās the archer not he arrows. Seen my new avatar? Phil (Blueshome) made me think, for once in my life
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Post by Stevie on Nov 29, 2019 12:02:16 GMT
"I'll keep working on my vibrato!"
The very best bit of advice I ever received came from TT at Worcester when he said to imagine you're trying to polish the frets with the slide (or words to that effect).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 12:21:07 GMT
"I'll keep working on my vibrato!" The very best bit of advice I ever received came from TT at Worcester when he said to imagine you're trying to polish the frets with the slide (or words to that effect). e&oe ...But surely you'd polish the frets at a right angle to the neck whereas the slide moves parallel to it. The Pedantic One.
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Post by Stevie on Nov 29, 2019 12:22:14 GMT
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Post by groff on Dec 15, 2019 11:15:13 GMT
On the strength of this thread I ordered an aluminium bronze slide from Ben's Bars.
The only brass slide I've used before is a Dunlop 231 so I've not got vast experience to draw on. Usually I use various Diamond Ultimates.
The bottleneck type slide from Ben is beautiful. Ally Bronze is very hard and takes a very fine finish which seems very durable. I'd say the sound is more like glass than brass. Very smooth and I like it a lot.
Individual preferences of course.
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