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Post by leedscitystompers on Aug 25, 2018 0:27:49 GMT
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Post by davey on Aug 25, 2018 14:03:19 GMT
It's a great looking guitar if you don't mind the wear and dents which I don't personally. It's odd how the neck looks so clean and the body so worn but don't doubt it's not been interfered with. I'd be tempted to visit the shop and ask if you can make an offer. They're a real shop so won't be as cheap as a private seller. There's no set price for these as they seem to be less common than the 12 fret ones. Or, you could fly to the USA and buy this one instead: www.gbase.com/gear/national-style-0-1935-nickel (about £2,900) |
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Post by leedscitystompers on Aug 25, 2018 14:18:43 GMT
The prices seem to fluctuate. I had a 1930 Style O offered at £1450 and saw a 1933 in Chicago for the equivalent of £2300 recently.
Wondered if try res guys had any thought on howe the prices have gone on these National guitars generally.
It is a bit dented Davey. I recently found out about a brass instrument repair guy that says he can get dents out of these easily. Might be worth checking out to see if it can be repaired.
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Post by davey on Aug 25, 2018 18:46:11 GMT
Old Nationals are cheap compared with Gibsons and Martins of the same period but there are fewer buyers so it keeps the price down.
They're always cheaper in the USA though. I've had a couple sent over but duty adds about 21% plus the carriage.
If you fancy the one in Manchester I would give them a ring and ask if the price is flexible. It's overpriced at the moment I think.
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Post by jono1uk on Aug 25, 2018 19:06:28 GMT
Spent most of my life in Manchester ...Johnny Roadhouse music has been there for years. .Manchester pop bands bought there stuff from there in late 80's early 90's ..always been overpriced..
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Post by snakehips on Aug 26, 2018 8:03:33 GMT
Hi there !
From what I can see, there is only one small dent, on the body edge.
Cosmetically speaking, the neck looks great but the body’s nickel plating is generally a bit corroded (more than just cloudy/dull.
It’s also got the corrosion plating rash where there once once an acetate scratchplate - which makes for an ugly large rash on the guitar front - a real turn-off for me, personally.
It’s got one of those later massive necks, especially on the upper half of the neck. Look how the neck shape gets so much thicker towards the heel - there is not much of a heel shape, seperate from the neck itself ! A mate in my hometown got a lovely example, exact some version of this Style O (14 fret neck, chicken-feet coverplate, slotted headstock) with plating in gorgeous condition, for about £2500 on USA ebay. After import taxes&duty AND sending it for neck reset etc, it turned into an amazing guitar, for about £3000 total. And he won’t sell it to me, doh ! It’s got the same shape neck as this one for sale - V-shape neck, but very bulky, especially up the neck. As I’m quite used to vintage National necks, I could learn to get used to the size, but I’m less keen on the shape (rather than the size itself) up the neck. Does this guitar have it’s original cone ? Can you trust the shop’s opinion of that ?
I saw a 14fret Style O in a London shop (on Denmark Street) about 5yrs back. It had the solid headstock - the very same Brothers in Arms model.
It badly needed a neck reset at least, maybe a new cone too. The neck, body and plating were in fairly good condition
BUT it still needed a neck reset. The price tag said £ 4500 ! No chance !!
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Post by leedscitystompers on Aug 26, 2018 9:27:08 GMT
Thanks Davey, Jono and Snakehips. Great advice!
I thought it was overpriced in the condition but I keep seeing style 0s sell for such differing prices I wondered if this was normal for a 14 fret with these feature.
Neck Indeed looks massive! Played a 34 with a neck so huge it was actually funny. Could get used to it.
Really in the state it's in it should be around £2k or a bit and then have money invested at Beltona for a decent set up / neck set and polish.
It's so rare an old untouched one comes up these days I find myself getting excited!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:10:21 GMT
I guess it's overpriced cos the owner thinks there is always gonna one noob desperate for a knopfler guitar.
TT
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Post by davey on Aug 26, 2018 22:10:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 22:46:01 GMT
While I don't question Tim Kummer's integrity I think his prices in general are on the high side. He's asking $20K for a 1929 style 4 with holes in the body where a p/u and jack socket were fitted.
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Post by davey on Aug 27, 2018 9:12:57 GMT
There aren't many style 4's for sale so I guess rarity factor comes into it. When all the mint ones have gone into private collections we're left with the ones with issues. I imagine you could buy it for less if you haggled.
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Post by Michael Messer on Aug 27, 2018 9:24:10 GMT
I know this guitar because I was helping a friend find a National recently. IMHO it is overpriced, it is nothing special and without seeing it I can't tell if it has an original cone, or whether it is a good guitar. The shop owner knows nothing about Nationals, when I called him about it he didn't know what model it is and also, the price was lower.
Shine On
Michael.
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Post by leedscitystompers on Sept 5, 2018 16:20:43 GMT
Thanks everybody for the extra info. Michael's info is interesting. Think I'll leave it for now!
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Post by maui_chimes on Sept 21, 2018 3:49:46 GMT
Does the neck heel look a bit massive on this one? Just strikes me as very large and I would want to rule out a squareneck conversion just to be sure.
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Post by snakehips on Sept 21, 2018 14:59:03 GMT
Hi again,
No, I don't think it's a squareneck conversion - I'm pretty sure that's just a MASSIVE neck !!
If it was a conversion, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't leave it THAT big - that would be pointless, in my opinion !
As I said earlier in this friend, a friend has one just like it, with the same shape neck - and that one wasn't a conversion.
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