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Post by snakehips on Apr 15, 2019 12:48:16 GMT
Hi again !
Still can't open that thing !
Which picture does your guitar tuners look the most like ? (One or two peaks, between the ears ??)
The double peak engraved tuner plates are the high quality tuners, mostly used on high-end Nationals, like Tricone. The single peak tuner engraved plates are not that great, IMHO, and tend to feature on Duolians, Triolians, Style N's etc, from say 1932 to perhaps 1934. In fact, I find these single-peak "engraved" plate tuners to be of lower quality than the more common non-engraved plates that National used for Duolians, Trojans etc. from about 1934 onwards The only tuner plates I have found don't last up well are these circa 1932-34 "engraved" single peak tuners, and the tuners used on the very last few years of the original National brand (1937-41, or so). (perhaps Mark Makin can chime in at this point to correct anything needing correcting !).
Perhaps time for an article/discussion on the various tuners National used over the years ?? (for another thread, obviously !)
Sorry for hijacking the thread BUT if YOUR guitar's tuners are what looks like the only set of tuners that were ever on your guitar AND it has the single peak engraved tuner plates, I'd make a proposal that your guitar was only ever completely built and sold, in 1932 or later. Probably a body and maybe the neck and maybe both put together in the late 1920's, BUT not been painted and had tuners put on it, until it was actually sold.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 15, 2019 16:03:42 GMT
Interesting comment. My 1931 Triolian has the single peak engraved tuners which I've been told by the experts are original to the guitar and I have no problem with quality, smoothness of operation or tuning stability. Maybe I'm one of the lucky people...
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Post by snakehips on Apr 15, 2019 16:54:45 GMT
Hi again !
Cool, if yours are still functioning well, but in EVERY guitar I have seen them on, the tuner worms slip on the gears, and everything just seems far too loose. I have a 1932 brass Style N that had the single peak engraved tuners - and the treble side had already been replaced - with the more "basic" non-engraved rectangular plate tuners - and those have lasted up better than the bass side originals !
I know of another 1932, Style N, very close in serial number to mine, that probably had the same single-peak engraved plate tuners - but this guitar has had the tuners removed - and it's been in a cupboard for 40yrs without strings on it ! That says a lot about those tuners, in my mind !
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Post by niaro on Apr 15, 2019 20:49:14 GMT
I'd be damned if this is not working! From my understanding, I must answer 2 for this one.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 16, 2019 5:30:32 GMT
Hi again ! I know of another 1932, Style N, very close in serial number to mine, that probably had the same single-peak engraved plate tuners - but this guitar has had the tuners removed - and it's been in a cupboard for 40yrs without strings on it ! That says a lot about those tuners, in my mind ! In my mind it doesn't say anything about the tuners, it just says that there is a bloody daft 1932 Style N owner out there who is wasting an old National - and has been for the last 40 years - just for the sake of getting a set of tuners! If that's the only problem with the guitar, of course .
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Post by niaro on May 26, 2019 16:34:17 GMT
Hi there,
Just a small message to let you know that I identified another Walnut thanks to its owner. it looks like it's serialed 1632 which is an odd addition to this group!
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