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Post by snakehips on May 2, 2018 12:13:31 GMT
Aye, OK then !
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Set up
May 2, 2018 13:45:31 GMT
Post by tigercubt20 on May 2, 2018 13:45:31 GMT
this is my opinion, and is not meant to critisize any other opinions, in this universe or any alternative universes. set up , guitar type,playing style. musical preferances. are all intensely personal, and particular to each individual. that special sound that people search for is subjective, the mind makes sence of sound, not the ears, everybodys mind is different. probably explains why some kinds of music that people love, others hate.
set up , some things to consider, break angle, neck releif, intonation, string type and guage, action at the nut and saddle, scale length, right hand style, fretting or slide, or both.
and equal temperament. thats a lot to think about, which is why i am nervous of guitar emporiums, that offer a proffesional setup. set up for who? by who?.
all guitars have theyre frets place precisely for equal temperament. forget that one then. neck releif,this is for low action and light strings, i use 15 to 56 strings and a heavy slide, so no use to me. break angle is really important, especially for resonators. a good reso, probably has the break angle about right, lowering it, by adjusting the saddle is possible, but the amount you gain would be minimal, if it needs more, then its probably the neck angle thats the problem. lowering the nut is the usual first stop. for me i have to raise the nut on any store bought guitar. the fools string reso guitars with light strings, low action, and standard tuning. thats what a nice acoustic flat top is for. INTONATION, this causes most people to scratch theyre heads, it is impossible for a fretted instrument using equal temperament, to play in tune, using its full range. its a mathematical problem that cant be fixed, equal temperament is the best compromise. INTONATION, is the adjust for string stretch on fretting, and for variations between string types and guages. heres the problem, intonation for fingers alone, and for slide alone, are diametrically opposed. when you combine the two, you will have to compromise. i like the slide to play nicely, and fretting behind the slide i dont mind if its a bit funky,WHAT IS GOOD FOR ONE,MAY NOT BE FOR ANOTHER..its a tightrope walk,that humans can do,but computers and artificial idiocy will never achieve. sorry for the spelling mistakes, ime a guitar player.
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Post by leedscitystompers on May 24, 2018 12:42:53 GMT
Hey hope to help here,
I gig two NRPs and have a single cone set up with 13s for regular tuning and finger picking and a Tricone with 16s for open and slide tunes.
They are both set up so that they could be used for either style of play but are more dedicated to their specific use. The Tricone gets fretted and chorded amongst the bottleneck bits and took a quite expensive set up to get it to where it intonates good and slides cleanly with a higher action. It's actually pretty low from the nut to fret 5 and rises towards the 12th.
Saying that the single cone often gets used for slide if I'm doing walk about gigs and can't carry multiple instruments around the venue. It works well but I have to be a bit more gentle and have a lighter touch so I don't get buzzing from the frets.
A friend plays a J45 with 12s and has the lowest action I've almost ever seen on an acoustic. It's the perfect finger picking set up. When he does a few slide tunes in the set he gets a perfect tone but plays so gently. No buzzing of that slide! I tried his guitar and sounded like rubbish.
You say you don't know about set ups but I'd recommend getting one done. I did my own for years and did ok or at least I thought. When I paid for someone good to do them I realised I'd missed out and also hampered my playing. You really should get an instrument playing well with someone good doing the work.
Also expect to try different instruments, strings, setups and play a lot until you find what works for you.
I get a lower action for sliding with a heavier and thicker slide. For me the mass of the slide means the slide doesn't need pressing on too hard to get the string vibrating cleanly against it. Therefore the action can be lower. Took years to figure that. Maybe that helps you. Sure other folks feel differently.
Also, see what people you like play. That's a good guide I find.
Although there is a trade off between a perfect slide guitar and a perfect fingerpicking guitar I believe you can get fairly close.
Both mine were set up by Steve Evans at Beltona and I have to say that any money spent with a specialist 'resonator luthier' like Steve is money well spent. I recommend him so highly but know Mike in Paris and Dave King are also really good.
There's so much to these instruments and guys like Steve can guide you into what's possible with your instrument. Things like neck angles can have a huge impact on the ability to get the strings low enough to fret and still slide-able with a big tone.
Resonator instruments in particular are prone to sounding rubbish if the set up is out. Once they're dialled in I think it's hard to put a good one down.
Hopefully this helps.
Martyn
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