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Post by mitchfit on Mar 31, 2018 19:52:38 GMT
not really an OD pedal fan-boy here, so weigh my opinions with that in mind...
would love to go try one of these in a brick and mortar into a solid state power
amp, doubt that the store owner would allow the ~hours~ of experimentation that
it took do uncover the sonic possibilities available though.
doubt i would use one except as a set-and-play due to the tools and toggles it
takes to fully span the spectrum of the capabilities this has.
but-
as a tool for the home recording enthusiast who doesn't own the Bonamassa* amp
collection here is nearly every amp you wanna record with for 500 inflationary
note$.
while on the recording caveat, given the ultra hi-fi traits of their comps, it
should have well below required noise thresholds for home studios. this said i
admit that is an unproven opinion, and requires some hands-on testing to prove.
mitchfit
*https://www.google.com/search?q=bonamassa+amplifier+collection+picture&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=HujQWwyv_LM_rM%253A%252C5IVin22KZaqPOM%252C_&usg=__T1Rsf7_5Yyin6aRKtZFKXDhdZAU%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz9NqzqJfaAhVDt1MKHXAXBh4Q9QEIOzAJ#imgrc=HujQWwyv_LM_rM:
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Post by creolian on Mar 31, 2018 21:06:35 GMT
My only concern would be getting that tinge of harmonic feedback... And maybe too many knobs.
When I see OD, I'm thinking distortion mostly, with a tinge of feedback... There is something about valves on the edge of out of control that I've never heard truly duplicated in the digital /ss realm... To be honest, I haven't heard what the Origin or other modelling type amps can do lately.
I use a tube preamp pedal ( Mesa v twin) into SS as well as valve amps and Sometimes just headphones. Its got a master gain set up that allows For saturation without too much volume. I'm looking for a limited range of sounds but that just on the edge valve feedback is what is usually missing with SS. The mesa pedal can be driven or clean, sounds as good as whatever its plugged into. There are scads of tube driver pedals out there and i think they mostley work well. I ordered a 20$ delay last night (danelectro fab echo) which I hoping will complete the puzzle... For now;)
The origin looks intriguing. And about 75lbs lighter than a 2-12 combo... If I was flush, a James Bond Attaché case style rig using something like this would be a project...
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 1, 2018 0:28:10 GMT
creolian,
agree about the 12__7 x [2 each] pedal option sounding more authentic than SS or digital.
yet i have an EHX english muff'n that i rarely use. does make an SS amp sound mo'better.
if the hype is true, rather than being just the pre-amp circuit of a tube amp this recreates
the entire circuit following V1 and V2 with most all of the revered existing circuits that
includes interaction between caps, valve or SS rectification, power tubes, and transformers.
a tall order, to be sure. yet Keats pulled the same trick off quite well with the comps
in their line up when emulating a Urei 1176. time will tell.
mitchfit
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Post by richclough on Apr 1, 2018 17:39:20 GMT
Hi Mitchfit,
I really love the Effectrode Blackbird. I think it would work well for you.
I play a solo vocal with acoustic and slide. My slide rig is a acoustic guitar with soundhole magnetic pickup into a pedal board consisting of effectrode PC2a valve compressor, Effectrode blackbird preamp and ADA GCS3 speaker sim. All analogue! Yay!
The Blackbird sounds wonderful - 3 12ax7 valves - easily swappable for other flavours. Personally I use NOS 12AX7, 5751 and 12AV7 in V1-3 respectively. In the studio I've used it before a cranked AC30 to dial in my preferred tone, but it would work great in front if a SS amp I think. Great EQ.
Cheers,
Rich
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 1, 2018 19:53:20 GMT
IMO, the above mentioned EHX is much more useful with the low powered 12AU7 [20-ish gain factor], creates a wider zone between clean and clipping. makes pick attack volume control more expressive to my ear. also, a hidden advantage exists of them having little demand in guit amps which seem to be the main driver for the NOS bottle market.
what i would like to get from effectrode is their discontinued "delta-trem". stood on the fence too long deciding. it's the law of the universe, "if you snooze, you loose".
anybody know where a new/used one is for sale?
mitchfit
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Post by pete1951 on Apr 2, 2018 14:37:13 GMT
There is also the argument that its not the ECC8? or the 12A?7 that gives the best distortion/sustain/compression, but the power values...
PT
I guess it's only a matter of time before a solid state set-up does the job, I have yet to try the Origin Effects pedal, maybe it has already been done!
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 2, 2018 18:09:21 GMT
I haven't tried this unit as I don't really use any pedals, but one thing I do know is that anything Simon Keats puts his Origin Effects name to, is superb (I believe that 'the dog's bollox' is the term I am searching for!).
Origin Effects units are all designed by Simon and handbuilt in Oxfordshire by a small team of skilled engineers.
Shine On
Michael
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Post by richclough on Apr 2, 2018 22:36:33 GMT
Mitchfit - looks like there is a new version of the Effectrode Delta Trem coming out. Stereo. Tap. Have a look at the site.
Cheers,
Rich
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Post by Stevie on Apr 3, 2018 10:05:25 GMT
As an older larger SlideRig owner, I completely concur regarding MM's statement regarding Origin Effects, The build quality and letter punched serial numbers give the game away even if uniquely great sound doesn't! Try one and you'll never look back! However, as good as I fully expect the Revival Drive is, I'm about done auditioning various flavours of overdrives, distortion and fuzz boxes, certainly at the asking price. It would be neat to play with one for 24 hours though and then I suspect my opinion would change!
YouTube reviews replayed over typically compromised systems with suitably compressed audio mean absolute jack, but the Robbie Mackintosh video of the SlideRig is an exception to that generalisation. The linked Revival Drive video didn't speak to me in the way Robbie's did.
What I've found is that you can wax lyrical about a product until you're hoarse in the throat, but the item has to be experienced at first hand before any prospective customer can develop a worthwhile opinion. In short, if you've not tried it then you have no worthwhile opinion. The Sessionette is a classic example of that scenario. Many (most?) folks will tell you straight that their valve amp is better without having gone anywhere near one. I have both types, and put side by side I consider that viewpoint redundant. Just my opinion of course, but at least it's a hands-on one. I know that shoots my comments about the Revival Drive dead in the water, but at this stage in my life, my reticence has to be cash based by default as opposed to being driven by GAS. Sigh...
e&oe...
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 3, 2018 10:09:48 GMT
Mitchfit - looks like there is a new version of the Effectrode Delta Trem coming out. Stereo. Tap. Have a look at the site. Cheers, Rich That has got to go some to beat my De Armond TremTrol which cost me all of 7/6d from Selmers in Charing Cross Road, 2nd hand.  |
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Post by Michael Messer on Apr 3, 2018 11:05:02 GMT
PD, Trem-Trols are great! If they were good enough for Bo Diddley.....  It sounds pretty good here... Shine On Michael |
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Post by bonzo on Apr 3, 2018 12:24:42 GMT
Thanks for posting that Michael,up until now I haven't understood what this thread was about!
As the saying goes about one picture speaking a thousand words, so one riff does the same for music!
Whatever it is you're talking about, I want one if it can make me sound like that! Seriously!
Bo's the BEST!
Best wishes to you all, John
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 4, 2018 21:37:32 GMT
MM,
wasn't even aware oh the trem-trol!
gotta be olde school with a wall power cord and cooling louvers. [ for valves ?]
went on to price them on this side of the atlantic.
ouch--except for freight cost, like buying a working leslie organ [rotary] speaker unit.
read up on them and wonder how the signal wasn't square wave with a rocking mercury switch
to obtain the effect. seems it should sound "helicopter rotor", but video recording wasn't.
perhaps a delayed tapered fade circuit between the on and off states of the switch?
have actually approached 3 guit amp builders here in the US to build a valve powered pedal
and sell same with duplication rights to no avail. thought it may be patent infringements
concerns, but from back in that time period when the vibrolux was first introduced by Leo,
patents are surely long run out.
seems likely the R&D time for this project is well beyond my uninformed understanding.
one of them actually sent me a pdf of a revered fender schematic with the trem circuit
high lighted...email was much like an unspoken "no".
kinda like a formula one racing car, the engineers aren't good at building engines and
the mechanics aren't good at designing cars.
all i know about is driving....
mitchfit
@ richclough-- have played with stereo FX units before. speaker/amp separation becomes
an issue. also, while i was floored by Hendrix recordings that did a stereo pan from
left to right on his stratoblster, feel they would get tiresome used too much.
hence, not wanting the stereo option and the extra costs that ensued.
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Post by Pickers Ditch on Apr 4, 2018 21:50:22 GMT
No valves or mercury Mitch, just an electric motor wobbling a can of Windex surfactant solution. I'll add the Dan Formosa website link in the morning where all will be revealed. PD Found it: www.danformosa.com/dearmondBTW mine's a 601 Model as below and has been refilled with Windex and still sounds great.   |
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Post by mitchfit on Apr 4, 2018 22:16:25 GMT
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