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Post by creolian on Mar 4, 2018 15:58:43 GMT
Hi Jeff, having Dr John and friends playing locally to you would help in the acquisition of rythmn I dare say! Oooh I feel discombobulated just thinking about it! Best wishes to you all, John I can keep time ok... Anyone for a 13.5 bar progression
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Post by slide496 on Mar 4, 2018 16:53:47 GMT
i have been taught in the oral tradition and the way it was done in the 60's the song was broken down into 4-5 parts usually the line of the song and the teacher demonstrated and you played it back untill you could do it about three times in front of the teacher and he/she would work with you on it. Then on the next lesson you were expected to demonstrate that you remembered the previous lesson before going on to the next line. i can vaguely remember when the teacher left it was a really intent effort for the next several days to make sure i didn't forget.
I don't know if the above information is helpful, but I have found with teachers and musicians who learned without writing either by being taught that way or by themselves and developed methodologies to do that, they are not passing on that way of learning that way any more. Its more a lesson is the whole song and one is often expected to develop the increments for learning it by oneself without much guidance. The big difference that I see is in the sixties you didn't get the whole song so there was a different set of incentives - learn this and you get to move forward sort of thing.
Generally whether I learn something from the original or a lesson, I find it very useful to keep a record of the singing key, the guitar and slide I liked at the time and sometimes I map out the song's melody line on six line tab paper, ignoring the bars. Not all songs though and I often wind up ignoring what I've written.
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 4, 2018 18:04:36 GMT
What Harriet (slide496) hasn't mentioned is that for a few years until a year or so ago, I was her teacher. We met twice a month on Skype and Harriet was a fantastic student. Her passion and will to learn made it easy for me because she absorbed and understood everything I showed her. After the first couple of sessions where we got used to working with Skype in this way, it just felt like I was dropping round to Harriet's apartment to give her a lesson and have a cuppa. Harriet learnt to play lots of the stuff that I play and I made a great friend.
Much like music, the Internet is amazing thing!
Shine On Michael.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:14:29 GMT
Skype is a fantastic tool and can bring quality teachers into your living room. People in Japan are using it to learn the bagpipes,in Burma to learn the 'cello,in Scunthorpe to learn tabla and Moldova to learn slide guitar. Pre skype they just had to struggle on as best they could and in most cases probably gave up.
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Post by slide496 on Mar 4, 2018 19:21:36 GMT
What Harriet (slide496) hasn't mentioned is that for a few years until a year or so ago, I was her teacher. We met twice a month on Skype and Harriet was a fantastic student. Her passion and will to learn made it easy for me because she absorbed and understood everything I showed her. After the first couple of sessions where we got used to working with Skype in this way, it just felt like I was dropping round to Harriet's apartment to give her a lesson and have a cuppa. Harriet learnt to play lots of the stuff that I play and I made a great friend. Much like music, the Internet is amazing thing! Shine On Michael. Thank you very much, Michael, for your tuition, acknowledgement and friendship! I was very lucky that Michael was available at the time and willing to fit me into his schedule, though I hadn't really known whether he had wanted it to be known that I had the privilege of taking lessons with him. He teaches orally with no tab and much of what I learned from him was memorized well and when you receive tuition by a recognized master musician, as he is, you get much more than just the notes - you get the music, which is never presented without expression, feeling and respect, because that's the way a master is going to do things naturally to begin with IMHO. I pretty much used the skills I had from the 60's to learn in comfortable increments and it would usually take about a week to ten days hard work and repeated attempts for me to learn to play the guitar part of the material being covered and I took notes and revised. - I would think I heard things right, note it - go back to the lesson and find I was wrong. That happened quite alot at first - and my rhythm was half in my head. I would record to check and it would sound like folk music, so I would have to analyze and try and correct. Harriet
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Post by seth on Mar 5, 2018 15:35:27 GMT
Hi All What a great response from you all, Thank you Michael for the scales I now feel a bit more confident in putting the slide and guitar together and see if I can make my dog howl ,I plan to have half a hour a day in the first week or so then up my practice time to a hour a day once I have a grip of some simple tunes, Thanks for the heads up Jono1 ,,Michael use to have a tuition DVD Humm I had a look for it but it seems to be not about ,not even on eBay , Is there a rerun coming up Michael? It would be great if there was, rpsayles Yes you are right I did loads of research and digging about before I got my MM14 very pleased with it, everything you have said I have took on board Everybody has been so helpful Thank you all
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Post by r0bert on Mar 22, 2018 22:46:49 GMT
hi All, anyone know of any teachers in the Exeter area? I have a G tuned squareneck and am looking for help with country / folk crossover stuff (rather than pure bluegrass) like what I play on the Zouk and banjo!
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Post by jono1uk on Mar 23, 2018 6:08:20 GMT
i find this guy brilliant for teaching purposes .. i have struggled with fingerpicking and last night i "got it" to some degree.
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Post by Michael Messer on Mar 23, 2018 8:56:17 GMT
Hi Robert,
If you are looking to learn lap steel on a Dobro in high bass tuning, players and teachers are few and far between in this part of the world. I don't know if he teaches, but you could contact Phillip Henry, he is in your neck of the woods. If Phillip doesn't teach, he may be able to recommend someone. You can find Phillip via Phillip Henry & Hannah Martin website. Also, you could try Paul Godden. Paul is in Bristol (I think) and is an experienced Dobro player. He may well know someone. You can find Paul through his band's website, they are called Ponchartrain.
I do play and teach GBDGBD Dobro stuff, but Exeter is a long way from me.
I hope that is helpful.
Shine On Michael.
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Post by pete1951 on Mar 23, 2018 10:39:16 GMT
i find this guy brilliant for teaching purposes .. i have struggled with fingerpicking and last night i "got it" to some degree. Some sound advice but he puts in lots of notes of his own (I am from the 60s generation of blues guitar players who think most of RJs work should not be messed with) Take his comments on board but listen to the original. PT
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Post by 5slide on Mar 23, 2018 19:46:22 GMT
I am sure the TAB for Feeling Bad Blues is fine (Although the writer seems to think it is called FEENG BAD BLUES. I hope his understanding of the music is better than his spelling), but in my opinion, for a beginner it is more complicated to learn from the TAB than it is from watching and listening. You should always use the original as your benchmark, but if there are well played and easy to see versions, then use those too. Here is a video of Feeling Bad Blues by forum member, 5slide. It is well played and easy to follow. ....and here is Ry Cooder playing it. Personally, I find it easier to listen to Ry's recording and copy that, but as a beginner you will probably need the visual guidance too. I hope all this is helpful Shine On Michael Thanks for posting my video Michael. I haven’t played this amazing piece for a long time. Time to change that! And I totally agree, there is no better way to learn than to listen to Ry’s original version, listen again, then listen some more!
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