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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 4, 2008 18:32:44 GMT
Alan Timmins - Mark Makin - Michael Messer - October 1998 It is with great sadness that I am writing to tell the news that our friend Alan Timmins died after a long illness, on Thursday evening - 3rd July 2008. He was 61 years old. Along with National Reso-Phonic Guitars in the US, Alan was one of the first people to build a National style guitar after the demise of the original National company in the 1940s. With Mark Makin’s help & advice, Alan built the body & coverplate of a brass-bodied round-neck Tricone, by hand. As far as we know, Alan’s Tricone was the first anyone had built since National ceased production. Alan’s first Tricone is owned and played by Mark Makin. Alan also was instrumental in helping Don Young at National Reso-Phonic Guitars by providing them with 20 T-bridge parts for their first run of Tricones. Always looking for a new conquest and being connected to the world of formula one racing cars, Alan moved from building metal resonator guitars to building them out of carbon fibre. These instruments were called ‘F1’ guitars and for the next couple of years Alan built Tricones, single cones, mandolins & ukuleles. In all there are approximately a dozen F1 instruments in existence. Of the instruments I know; Mark Makin has a mandolin and the original brass-bodied Tricone, Dave Peabody has a single cone guitar and Mike Cooper and me have round-neck Tricones. John E Dopyera, son of the inventor, said that his father, always looking for alternative and new materials, would have been fascinated by Alan’s carbon fibre F1 Nationals. Alan Timmins’ F1 resophonic guitars are unique and have their own place in resophonic guitar history. Alan’s other contribution to the world of slide guitar was the hard-chromed steel slide that he made for me in 1991. He bored out a solid rod as he claimed (and he was right) that a solid rod bored out has a better tone and strength than a ready-made tube. I have used my Timmins slide on almost every concert & recording since 1991. After seventeen years of constant use, it is still like new with no dings, dents or scratches! That slide was the blueprint in 2001 for the LRC King Slides that were so popular in the years that followed. Alan occasionally and successfully promoted live music; artists he arranged and promoted concerts for include Bob Brozman, Mike Cooper, Mark Makin, Dave Peabody & myself. He got me on BBC TV in 1991, and on the same day, a live BBC radio session! Away from his passion for music, slide guitar and Nationals, Alan Timmins was one of the world's leading experts on old clocks, watches and timepieces. He was a Fellow of the British Horological Institute (FBHI). I believe that his specialized area of knowledge was 18th century longcase clocks (Grandfather Clocks to us!). He wrote books and lectured on the subject. Alan was once approached to work at Windsor Castle as "Keeper of the Queens Clocks”. He turned the job down as the daily routine was to wind a couple of hundred clocks every morning! Alan has left his wife, Jenny, and their son, John. He will be greatly missed by everyone he knew and touched with his friendship, enthusiasm, generosity and encouragement. Shine On Michael. Pages 140 & 141 - The Acoustic Guitar by Freeth & Alexander.
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Post by snakehips on Jul 5, 2008 14:53:16 GMT
Hi there !
I remember when they became available for sale, way back when I was at Uni. I phoned (or wrote ?) and asked for further details. I got sent some photographs that I was supposed to return - I'm afraid I never got round to it. I still have them somewhere, safe in a box.
Unfortunately, I never had enough funds to buy one - but I would have gone for a tricone, with the style 97 surfer on the back etc. A year or two later, I finally got funds together and bought a NRP Delphi - the difference being I was able to try 3 different NRP's in a shop. The F1 would have been buying "unseen" (unable to tryout first). I wasn't too keen on the solid headstock either. Why did he go for that instead of a traditional slotted headstock ?
Wish I had bought one now !
Who made the cones ? And how do they fare compared to NRP hot-road, Beltona and Fine Resophonic cones, in appearance as well as sound ?
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 5, 2008 21:10:51 GMT
Hi Snakehips,
Your comments are very interesting. I had no idea that a student in Scotland was interested in F1 guitars and received some photos from Alan. That’s a great story! Can we see the photos please? You should have bought one!!!
F1s never did make it into any shops, but somewhere out there are a few that we don’t know about. Alan also built a left-handed Tricone for a maker/dealer in or near Liverpool….I think. Perhaps Mark can fill us in on the left-handed Tricone?
The flat headstock may have been Alan’s idea, but it was more likely to be the guy he brought in to build the necks. Alan was not able to build a complete guitar, his skill was building the bodies, coverplates, tailpieces, T bridges, and understanding how it all works…break angles…neck angles..etc. The neck and set-up of the first brass Timmins/Makin…Tricone was made and fitted by Ralph Bown. Ralph is one of THE great luthiers and totally understood what was required. The F1 carbon fibre necks and set-ups were done by a guy who I only knew as ‘Laz’. Laz was mainly into high-tech bass guitars and somehow, I am guessing through carbon fibre, they ended up working together. Laz did a great job, but had no experience with Nationals. So with Alan’s knowledge of break angles, neck angles and set-up, Laz made the necks and fitted them to the guitars. I guess the headstock looked more modern and in keeping with the carbon fibre, or it suited the style 97 graphics, or it was easier. The neck on my Tricone (the one in the book) is beautifully made, but it is not quite in character with the 1920s body. I have often had people visiting my home and of all the guitars they see, the F1 is a regular favourite. Although it looks very old style, it also has a very modern look to it.
When I first got my Tricone, which I think was in 94, it was fitted with Quarterman cones and sounded okay, but not brilliant. I had some spare 30s cones and immediately put them in and slung out the others. As you would expect, it transformed the instrument into a beautiful sweet sounding Tricone. Because of the strength of carbon fibre and due to Alan’s skill, this Tricone NEVER buzzes or rattles. No matter how it is played, or how often you change the tunings, it never buzzes. The reason I have not used it very much over the years is because of the neck and the feel of it. I really do want to get it sorted out sometime. Mike Cooper regularly tours and records with his F1 Tricone. Dave Peabody used to tour with his, but I haven’t seen it for a while. I think some F1s have NRP cones, maybe a Beltona in a couple of them? It was always a problem back then. Alan was going to start spinning his own, but Mike Lewis (also a close friend of Alan, Mark and myself) started making his own Fine Resophonic guitars and cones. There was an idea of Alan building bodies and Mike building the rest, but I think Mike got very into his wood-bodied Tricones & Triolians, and with the English Channel between them, the geography did not make it easy. It was around that time that F1’s production slowed up.
The whole F1 resonator guitars episode was quite short lived. Alan was always searching for the next thing; he was always looking forward to a new project. F1 guitars could probably have been a successful business, but I guess that was not Alan’s field or his intention.
During the F1 period, probably one of the most notable things to happen, and something I really should have mentioned in his obituary, was that in 1992 George Harrison contacted Alan Timmins about repairing/restoring some 1920s & 30s National, Dobro & Regal ukuleles. George visited Alan’s home and left him with the ukes. Apparently there had been a bit of a shindig at George’s house and Jim Capaldi needed some pots & pans to use as drums and the ukes were nearby. This was a great moment for Alan. He was so proud to have had George visit his home and trust him to work on his ukes. There is more to this story that involves Mark Makin, but that’s a whole other chapter!
If anyone knows the whereabouts of any F1 resophonic guitars, mandolins or ukes, we would love to hear about them.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Bill Stig on Jul 5, 2008 22:12:35 GMT
Last time there was some mention of Alan Timmins' guitars on this forum I remembered seeing a resonator in Frailers guitar shop quite a few years ago. I knew very little about resos at the time and can't even remember if it was a tricone. But the pattern on the body of the guitar was similar to the headstock pictures of the F1. Frank told me it was made by a British maker. I loved it and would have bought it if I'd had the cash. This one was definitely set up right handed, but could it be the one that ended up near Liverpool?
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Post by snakehips on Jul 6, 2008 8:24:51 GMT
Hi again !
Michael - I remeber that article - it would have been in TGM ? (The Guitar Magazine, UK publication). I think there must have been a contact phone number or address - I must have contacted Alan or someone via that way - and got sent pictures. I really hoped I'd get the money together. Of course, having never played a real National at that point and virtually zero exposure to cheap brands (save for a short go on a Dobro a shop keeper BRIEFLY let me touch !!) - I had no idea what sort of risk I was getting myself into, spending that sort of money.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 6, 2008 8:48:29 GMT
Hi Snakehips,
Back around that time I wrote a few reviews and articles about resophonic guitars for TGM (The Guitar Magazine). Most of them are still on my website. The reviews editor at TGM at that time was Dave Burrluck, now the reviews editor at Guitarist Magazine.
Shine On Michael
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Post by Mark Makin on Jul 6, 2008 11:31:38 GMT
Hello Bill I remember after the first brass tricone body, Alan made a body shell for Keith Bannion up on Merseyside somewhere. This eventually surfaced as a nickel plated instrument with "KGB" on the headstock which was overlaid with sterling silver. The body was heavily engraved (rather too much in my opinion!) with masses of foliage and bunches of grapes. I did see it on an album sleeve a year or two later. Was it maybe this one you saw Bill?
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Post by Mark Makin on Jul 6, 2008 11:36:35 GMT
Incidentally, I just thought I would put these images into this thread to keep it all in one place. These are the pictures of Mike Coopers Tricone and Dave Peabodys Single cone that were featured on another thread some time ago
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Post by tark on Jul 6, 2008 13:16:49 GMT
Sorry to hear about Alans death, since I first heard of them I have been fascinated by his CF resonator designs.
As I understand it molding a slot head neck in carbon fibre would be very difficult. I believe the way CF necks are usually made is by laying up sheets of CF (either with resin or pre-preg) around a lightweight foamed plastic core. That is - the core provides the shape of the neck with the CF wrapped around it, to eventually form a hard rigid shell. Another method is to make an outside negative mold for the back profile of the neck which the CF is laid into. The fretboard and headstock face are then glued on to make a complete 'closed' neck. All carbon fibre necks are essentially hollow.
With a neck made of a solid material - like wood - the slots of a slot head are machined out (or carved by hand). I think the slot head design goes back to the old methods of making peg boxes where the neck and peg box were constructed out of many pieces of wood - the peg box being made like a box, with sides and an end block. The slot head follows the peg box form, but carved from solid wood. The one piece neck is a fairly modern thing and as far as I can tell was adopted for purely cosmetic reasons when expensive hardwoods seemed relatively plentiful. The rather complicated 'dart' volute found on Martin guitars is a vestige of the older Martin neck, where the headstock was glued on to the neck using a bridle joint (the origin of the name of the joint is probably a bit lewd). Lutes apparently often had the pegbox nailed on.
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Post by Ian McWee on Jul 6, 2008 16:53:57 GMT
Hi All, Sad news indeed of Alan's passing - our thoughts go out to his family & friends. The heavily engraved K.G.B. tri-cone posted above by Mark is owned by a fantastic slide player named Adrian Hough, and he lives by you Bill...a Cheshire lad! His band was called 'The Jukehounds' at the time of the C.D. sleeve which had the tri-cone photographed on the cover, and if my memory serves me, the C.D. was called 'Hounds of Hell' . Slide On! Ian. www.diamondbottlenecks.com
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Post by Bill Stig on Jul 7, 2008 11:32:43 GMT
Hi Mark This is getting curiouser and curiouser. I've often wondered about this guitar, and have always wished that I'd just borrowed the money and bought it at the time. I'm 90% sure that the guitar in Frailers wasn't the KGB model. I know Dave Bannion and I'm pretty sure that I would have made the KGB connection at the time. I don't remember any decoration on the body at all, just the squares that you can see on the back of Dave Peabody's single cone, not even any palm trees. In fact it may have been a single cone. I'll pop into Frailers during the week and see if Frank remembers anything about it.
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 9, 2008 21:46:06 GMT
I AM POSTING THIS MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF MIKE LEWIS. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, Its a little sad that the first time I write to your forum is because a friend has passed away, but I thought you might like to hear another part of the story. I have been friends with Mark Makin and Alan Timmins since the early seventies. When Alan made the first Tricone since National - It was Mark’s fault! When I made my first wood Tricone - It was Mark's fault! Mr Makin has rather a lot to do with all this! Back in 91/92 I met Pierre Avocat who was tinkling with resonator guitars that he called Mecano Guitars. Alan with the style 97 Tricone and me with mine. We were all working towards the same goal, which was to build National guitars. Alan & Pierre knew how to make the bodies and I knew how to make the rest. So I suggested that instead of each of us putting our separate names on the guitars, that I would do all their wood bits and setting up of the guitars and that we should call ourselves "Fine Resophonic" - and that is what we did. Here are some pictures of Alan at our first Fine Resophonic guitar show in Paris in 1992. You can see Alan with the original style 97 Tricone (now owned by Mark). We did a second guitar show in Derby where we exhibited the first carbon-fibre single cone, and where we first met Malcom Newton (who suggested that he could make better strings for Michael Messer, instead of the strings he was using). So it was also the beginning of Michael’s Strings! A good time was had by all. But as Michael said, the distance between the two workshops was a little too far and we went our separate ways. Alan was a genius. As well as being an old fashioned craftsman, he was always willing to look for something new. It was because of his passion for formula one racing cars that he announced to his friends - “I can make a National guitar out of that carbon-fibre"..... and he did. Alan and his carbon-fibre Nationals inspired many people; including Steve Evans at Beltona with his fibre-glass bodies, and Amistar with their carbon-fibre resonator guitars. I am sure he woke up National Reso-Phonic too. And me - well now I make metal Triplates! What more can I say. Let us not forget him. Alan Timmins is part of the history of resonator guitars and was just as innovative as the original guys in the 1930s. Kind regards to you all, Mike Lewis (Fine Resophonic Guitars - Paris)
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 10, 2008 10:36:40 GMT
In addition to Mike's lovely piece about Alan & the early days of Fine Resophonic, I have just found these business cards. I think they are from 1992. (I have removed the addresses and phone numbers) Shine On, Michael
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Post by Colin McCubbin on Jul 12, 2008 2:13:46 GMT
Sad news indeed.. I always admired Michael's F1 and the tales he told of Alan's extraordinary prowess at all types of construction projects. I seem to recall that Alan was also something like 'Clock Maker to Mer Majesty the Queen' . Am I imagining that?
Would any one mind if I grabbed the various pictures of Alan's instruments assembled here and added a page to notecannons on the subject?
Colin
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Post by Michael Messer on Jul 12, 2008 8:38:26 GMT
Hi Colin,
A page about Alan on Notecannons would be a wonderful tribute. Please do help yourself to the photos. If you require any more info or photos to make the page, just ask me, Mark or Mike.
In the obituary I wrote to start this thread I mentioned Alan's involvement with clocks and about the job he was offered by Queenie and turned down, as it was not quite what it was talked up to be.
Shine On Michael
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